Showing posts with label Rupp. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Rupp. Show all posts
Saturday, February 18, 2012
Monday, February 16, 2009
Surname: Roop
Variants are numerous: Roope, Rupp, Rupe, Ruppe, Roupe, Roup, Roper and others.
The name Roper is examined here - click link. The English version of Roper may be Norman, derived from Rupierre in Caen, Normandy or an occupational name, the man who made your ropes.
The Germanic forms (Dutch, if you prefer) may be derived from the personal name Ruprecht, famed/bright one--take your pick of glorious adjectives. Robert is the English version. I also found evidence that Rupp and variants may be a form of German Krupp and variants, where the K or C has been dropped.
The form Roop shows up in the Ancestry.com immigration records 24 times. Nineteen people named Roop had Germanic origins. Only two were English. In the 1920 census (also from Ancestry.com) the form Roop was best represented in the states of PA (12% of Roops), OH (12%), IN (6%) and VA (12%).
My own Roop ancestor, Jonathan, was born in Pennsylvania in 1819 and migrated to Missouri between 1856 and 1863. Playing odds with immigration and settlement patterns, my guess is that Jonathan Roop was of Germanic and not English descent. If I knew his wife's maiden name, it would help me identify an ethnic community, but I don't. All I have is Sarah.
That 1920 number of 12% of Roops in Virginia is not insignificant. While searching for information about Jonathan's past, I've run into a lot of records for Virginia Roops, although I don't believe at this time that there's any connection of my family with the Virginia branch (if a branch it even is).
As long as I'm discussing the Roops, let me put my information out there and see if anyone can help me. All I really have are two census records.
In 1870, Jno Roop is the head of household in Clay, Clark, Missouri.
Jno Roop b.1819, PA
Sarah Roop b.1820, PA
Phebe Roop b1849, PA
Sarah J Roop b1850, PA
Adam Roop b1852, PA
Jno Roop b1854, PA
William Roop b1856, PA
David A Roop b1863, MO
Owen Brown (laborer)
In 1880, Jno Roop is the head of household in Clay, Monroe, Missouri.
Jno Roop, head, b1819, PA
Sarah Roop, wife, b1821, PA
David A. Roop, son, b1865, MO
Jno. Shaw, grandson, b1867, MO
Mary E. Shaw, granddaughter, b1868, MO
Wm. F. Shaw*, son, paralyzed, b1857, PA
Adam Roop, son, b1853, PA
Jno Roop, son, b1854, PA
*Note:I can't explain why the son William takes the name of Shaw in the second census.
I've provided information on this family before in my post, Which Sarah Jane?, and I haven't made any progress since that time. I notice, sadly, that the dates aren't quite right for the Roop men to have participated in the Civil War, nor have I found where any of the younger ones registered for the WWI draft. That rules out a military lead. Neither can I find this Roop family in earlier census records (1850 or 1860) in Pennsylvania. I can find Roops there, specifically on wills, but with no evidence that I'm looking at the correct family. I've tried finding the sons as adults in Missouri; again no luck.
Lacking specific records, I've resorted to general patterns, like surname origin, which isn't yielding much either. :(
The name Roper is examined here - click link. The English version of Roper may be Norman, derived from Rupierre in Caen, Normandy or an occupational name, the man who made your ropes.
The Germanic forms (Dutch, if you prefer) may be derived from the personal name Ruprecht, famed/bright one--take your pick of glorious adjectives. Robert is the English version. I also found evidence that Rupp and variants may be a form of German Krupp and variants, where the K or C has been dropped.
The form Roop shows up in the Ancestry.com immigration records 24 times. Nineteen people named Roop had Germanic origins. Only two were English. In the 1920 census (also from Ancestry.com) the form Roop was best represented in the states of PA (12% of Roops), OH (12%), IN (6%) and VA (12%).
My own Roop ancestor, Jonathan, was born in Pennsylvania in 1819 and migrated to Missouri between 1856 and 1863. Playing odds with immigration and settlement patterns, my guess is that Jonathan Roop was of Germanic and not English descent. If I knew his wife's maiden name, it would help me identify an ethnic community, but I don't. All I have is Sarah.
That 1920 number of 12% of Roops in Virginia is not insignificant. While searching for information about Jonathan's past, I've run into a lot of records for Virginia Roops, although I don't believe at this time that there's any connection of my family with the Virginia branch (if a branch it even is).
As long as I'm discussing the Roops, let me put my information out there and see if anyone can help me. All I really have are two census records.
In 1870, Jno Roop is the head of household in Clay, Clark, Missouri.
Jno Roop b.1819, PA
Sarah Roop b.1820, PA
Phebe Roop b1849, PA
Sarah J Roop b1850, PA
Adam Roop b1852, PA
Jno Roop b1854, PA
William Roop b1856, PA
David A Roop b1863, MO
Owen Brown (laborer)
In 1880, Jno Roop is the head of household in Clay, Monroe, Missouri.
Jno Roop, head, b1819, PA
Sarah Roop, wife, b1821, PA
David A. Roop, son, b1865, MO
Jno. Shaw, grandson, b1867, MO
Mary E. Shaw, granddaughter, b1868, MO
Wm. F. Shaw*, son, paralyzed, b1857, PA
Adam Roop, son, b1853, PA
Jno Roop, son, b1854, PA
*Note:I can't explain why the son William takes the name of Shaw in the second census.
I've provided information on this family before in my post, Which Sarah Jane?, and I haven't made any progress since that time. I notice, sadly, that the dates aren't quite right for the Roop men to have participated in the Civil War, nor have I found where any of the younger ones registered for the WWI draft. That rules out a military lead. Neither can I find this Roop family in earlier census records (1850 or 1860) in Pennsylvania. I can find Roops there, specifically on wills, but with no evidence that I'm looking at the correct family. I've tried finding the sons as adults in Missouri; again no luck.
Lacking specific records, I've resorted to general patterns, like surname origin, which isn't yielding much either. :(
Thursday, November 13, 2008
Which Sarah Jane?
I want to point out a possible error I found today while searching for the parents of Sarah Jane Roop, spouse of James Monroe Groves and mother of Etta Gertrude Groves. In one source, this Sarah Jane is identified both as Rupp (in the notes) and Roupe (in the index).
The index gives her data as
“Sarah Jane Roupe b: 19 Mar 1850 in Echo, Armstrong, PA
Married: 3 Aug 1871 in Alexandria, Clark, MO”
In trying to confirm this information, I found a Sarah Rupp born in 1850 in Echo, Armstrong, PA. On the 1870 census, she is listed as residing with her parents, John and Harriet, and her younger siblings, John and Mary. While I thought it slightly unusual for her to be in PA in 1870 and in MO in Aug 1871 to marry James Monroe Groves, not impossible.
At the same time, I was looking for a possible sister, Phoebe Ann, to confirm my information, but it was entirely probable that the sister had already left the home in 1870, the date of the census, especially considering that Sarah Jane is already 20 by this time, a ripe old age for marriage in these years.
Not entirely satisfied that the Sarah Jane I had found in PA in 1870 was the mother of Etta, I continued the search and came upon the record of a Sarah Jane Roop, also 20 years of age in 1870. In addition, Sarah Jane “Roop” had a sister named Ph(o)ebe Ann. Significantly, this census records Sarah Jane and Ph(o)ebe Ann living with their parents in Clay, Clark Co., Missouri, the same county in which Sarah Jane married James Monroe Groves in Aug 1871.
Summary:
It’s possibly incorrect (unless there is compelling family or historical evidence) to claim the parents of Sarah Jane Roupe, b. 19 Mar 1850 in Echo, Armstrong, PA, as the grandparents of Etta Gertrude Groves. Families with trees listing Michael Roop and Sarah nee Taylor as the grandparents should take another look at their records. I could find no record that this couple had a daughter named Sarah. Also, trees with John and Harriet Rupp of Echo, Armstrong, PA as the grandparents may be incorrect. Although they had a daughter named Sarah, it’s more likely that the Sarah Jane living in Missouri (with a sister named Ph(o)ebe) is that one who married James Monroe Groves.
In the absence of additional conflicting evidence, it’s probable that the grandparents of Etta Gertrude Groves (through Sarah Jane Roop) are Jonathan (b.1819) and Sarah (b.1820) Roop, both born in PA. If this is the case, then Sarah Jane’s siblings are the following:
Ph(o)ebe b.1849, PA
Adam b.1852, PA
Jonathan b. 1854, PA
William b.1856, PA
David A. b.1863, MO (Place and time of birth suggests the family moved from PA to MO, at least, by 1862/3)
Jonathan and Sarah Roop also appear on the 1880 Census, where David, Adam and Jonathan still live at home, working on their farm. Both Phoebe and Sarah Jane are gone from the household. This supports the story that Phoebe and Sarah Jane married two Groves brothers, Franklin and James Monroe, respectively.
If anyone would like more information or has some to share with me, please leave a comment.
The index gives her data as
“Sarah Jane Roupe b: 19 Mar 1850 in Echo, Armstrong, PA
Married: 3 Aug 1871 in Alexandria, Clark, MO”
In trying to confirm this information, I found a Sarah Rupp born in 1850 in Echo, Armstrong, PA. On the 1870 census, she is listed as residing with her parents, John and Harriet, and her younger siblings, John and Mary. While I thought it slightly unusual for her to be in PA in 1870 and in MO in Aug 1871 to marry James Monroe Groves, not impossible.
At the same time, I was looking for a possible sister, Phoebe Ann, to confirm my information, but it was entirely probable that the sister had already left the home in 1870, the date of the census, especially considering that Sarah Jane is already 20 by this time, a ripe old age for marriage in these years.
Not entirely satisfied that the Sarah Jane I had found in PA in 1870 was the mother of Etta, I continued the search and came upon the record of a Sarah Jane Roop, also 20 years of age in 1870. In addition, Sarah Jane “Roop” had a sister named Ph(o)ebe Ann. Significantly, this census records Sarah Jane and Ph(o)ebe Ann living with their parents in Clay, Clark Co., Missouri, the same county in which Sarah Jane married James Monroe Groves in Aug 1871.
Summary:
It’s possibly incorrect (unless there is compelling family or historical evidence) to claim the parents of Sarah Jane Roupe, b. 19 Mar 1850 in Echo, Armstrong, PA, as the grandparents of Etta Gertrude Groves. Families with trees listing Michael Roop and Sarah nee Taylor as the grandparents should take another look at their records. I could find no record that this couple had a daughter named Sarah. Also, trees with John and Harriet Rupp of Echo, Armstrong, PA as the grandparents may be incorrect. Although they had a daughter named Sarah, it’s more likely that the Sarah Jane living in Missouri (with a sister named Ph(o)ebe) is that one who married James Monroe Groves.
In the absence of additional conflicting evidence, it’s probable that the grandparents of Etta Gertrude Groves (through Sarah Jane Roop) are Jonathan (b.1819) and Sarah (b.1820) Roop, both born in PA. If this is the case, then Sarah Jane’s siblings are the following:
Ph(o)ebe b.1849, PA
Adam b.1852, PA
Jonathan b. 1854, PA
William b.1856, PA
David A. b.1863, MO (Place and time of birth suggests the family moved from PA to MO, at least, by 1862/3)
Jonathan and Sarah Roop also appear on the 1880 Census, where David, Adam and Jonathan still live at home, working on their farm. Both Phoebe and Sarah Jane are gone from the household. This supports the story that Phoebe and Sarah Jane married two Groves brothers, Franklin and James Monroe, respectively.
If anyone would like more information or has some to share with me, please leave a comment.
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